Herbert Hodgins Ryan(b.1870/1 – 1956) our great grandfather, also WW1.

Ryan Family Photo: 24/3/1947

Taken at “Yaralla”Trafalgar,  Gippsland, Victoria. 24/3/1947.Golden 50th wedding anniversary of Herbert ( our great grandfather)and Kate Ryan ( centre). (This is the picture that got the whole ancestry thing started )

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/22416623?searchTerm=james Andrew du moulin&searchLimits=

( The newspaper article from the 50th wedding anniversary in 1947 :24th march) ( their wedding took place at Christ Church, Brunswick)

christ church brunswickChrist Church Brunswick(m.1897)

From left to right : starting from the top  in photo above:

ryan family 1947

ryan family 1947- identification

Iris Thompson ( du moulin niece), Robert Thompson, Dermot Ryan ( Pat) – Margaret Perdriau’s dad, and Gwen Ryan ( Margaret’s mum), Mary Rollason ( our aunt), Duncan Thompson-Brian and Iris’s son, Elsa Ryan ( Russel Ryan’s wife)- still alive in Victoria as of 2017. Joan Rollason ( our mum), Russ Ryan, Tim Rollason ( our grandfather )

Middle row: Eiley Linton ( Du moulin niece), Kath Rollason ( our grandmother ), Kate Ryan ( our  great grandmother ), Herbert Ryan ( our  great grandfather), Brian Linton? ( du moulin nephew).

Front: Gail Ryan , Thirza Ryan and Barry Ryan – Russ and Elsa’s children, Margaret Ryan.

Identification thanks to Margaret Perdriau.

Gran ryan kate du moulin

Gran ryan kate du moulin

War Records Herbert H.Ryan:

Herbert Ryan , enlistment

Corporal Herbert Hodgins Ryan

He joined the AIF 10/7/1915 at 44 years and 1 month. His trade was journalist. ( He had been a member of the Walhalla Rifle Club)

herbert ryan off to war

Herbert was to report for camp on 30/7/1915 but asked for an extension of a fornight or till August 16th in order to make arrangements for his business ( Walhalla Chronicle)and for his wife ( kate) and three children.

Herbert Ryan, letter from Chronicle

Herbert embarked on the HMAT 40 ‘Ceramic’ with the 6th Battalion- second division departing 23/11/1915 to Gallipoli?  ( The second division was withdrawn from Gallipoli in December 1915). He would have regrouped in Egypt.

February 1916: Herbert admitted to a Cairo hospital: ‘growth -finger trouble). Promoted to 2nd training battalion at Plymouth June 1916. Promoted to Corporal 24/1/1917. Transfered to 7th battalion July 1917. Returned to Australia 8/6/1919.

HERBERT RYAN 21/11/1917

Kath Ryan writes a letter to the war office

About the 6th Battalion: WW1:

6th Battalion

The 6th Battalion was among the first infantry units raised for the AIF during the First World War. Like the 5th, 7th and 8th Battalions, it was recruited from Victoria and, together with these battalions, formed the 2nd Brigade.

The battalion was raised within a fortnight of the declaration of war in August 1914 and embarked just two months later. After a brief stop in Albany, Western Australia, the battalion proceeded to Egypt, arriving on 2 December. It later took part in the ANZAC landing on 25 April 1915, as part of the second wave. Ten days after the landing, the 2nd Brigade was transferred from ANZAC to Cape Helles to help in the attack on the village of Krithia. The attack captured little ground but cost the brigade almost a third of its strength. The Victorian battalions returned to ANZAC to help defend the beachhead, and in August the 2nd Brigade fought at the battle of Lone Pine. The battalion served at ANZAC until the evacuation in December.

After the withdrawal from Gallipoli, the battalion returned to Egypt. In March 1916, it sailed for France and the Western Front. From then until 1918 the battalion was heavily involved in operations against the German Army. The battalion’s first major action in France was at Pozières in the Somme valley in July 1916. After Pozières the battalion fought near Ypres, in Flanders, returning to the Somme for winter. In 1917, the battalion participated in the operations that followed-up the German withdrawal to the Hindenburg Line, and then returned to Belgium to join the great offensive launched to the east of Ypres. During the battle of Menin Road in September 1917, Lieutenant Frederick Birks earned the 6th Battalion’s only Victoria Cross. Birks was killed by a shell burst the next day while trying to rescue men buried during a bombardment.

6th battalion flag

Walhalla and the Chronicle:

Herbert was born in Walhalla in 1871 and took over the running of the Walhalla Chronicle from his father in the 1889 after the 1888 fire. Herbert ran the Chronicle for 26 years.

James Ryan his father , went to Maffra and founded the “Maffra Spectator” . ( At this time, Herbert was editor of the Walhalla Chronicle, and looks like Henry Whitton owned the lease from James Ryan). ( Percy and James Cue Ryan, his brothers, moved to Maffra in 1902 after James Ryan senior died , to look after the Maffra Spectator).

Herbert H. married Kate Davidson du Moulin(1873-1958) in 1897. Three children: Kathleen Cue ( our grandmother), Dermot Du Moulin Ryan (1899-1973) and Russel Whitaker Ryan(1904- 198?). Russel’s wife Elsa( married 1940) is still alive as of 2013. Dermot married Gwen Savage in 1927.

Herbert H. would have had a lot of shares in the Walhalla gold mine and according to Kath Ryan . He was largely interested in the New Loch Fyne ( Matlock) Long Tunnel mine as well as other mines in Walhalla.  He ploughed the fortune he made on the mines back into the business.

File:Walhalla 1910 Goldmine 4000ft.jpg

1910: Long Tunnel Mine , Walhalla

Herbert and Kate lived at Berwick, Victoria, for a time, and that is where Russ was born in 1904.

Herbert is listed as being on the Hospital Board in Walhalla. His wife Kate, and the three children left Walhalla when Herbert enlisted in 1915. (There is a note of an address for him in the 6th Battalion of New Street, Middle Brighton, Victoria.)  Kittye ryan letter

 Then in 1916, Kath’s address was “Nenagh”, Airdrie Rd. Caulfield. Later in July 1917, the adddress was ‘Repton” , Elm Ave. Elsterwick, Victoria – when Herbert was at training battalion in England .

25th November 1915, The Argus

Mr. H. H. Ryan, who was for 26 yearsproprietor of the “Walhalla Chronicle,”

has joined the forces  and sailed  for thefront. His* father, the late Mr JamesRyan, was one of Victorias oldest pressmen, being connected with The GippslandChronicle, published in Sale in the early sixties Ho also founded the CrookedRivet Chronicle'(Dargo) had a brief, but prosperous existance as a mining field and a large populalion. Mr H H Byan (who was born in Walhalla in 1870, took up the running ofthe Chronicle ‘ in 1889, and was largelyinterested in the New Loch Fyne (Matloci ) L ong Tunnel and other mines at Walhalla His mother Mrs James Ryan76 years of age, resides at Maffra she has three sons with the Expcditionary Forces-Colonel James Ryan, who is now at Gallipoli .Mr Harold Ryan, AA ho was actaing manager of the Bank of Australasia in Queensland (now at Rabaul New Britain) and Mr H H Rjan, now on his way to Egypt

We know that Kate and Herbert in the nineteen fourties- fifties went to Redland Bay , Queensland, with their daughter Kath Rollason. Kate died in 1958.

22nd May 1956: The Argus Melbourne:

Death of Herbert Ryan 1956

RYAN.-On May 20, at Redland Bay. Queensland. Herbert Hodgklns. late of Tralalgar, loved husband of Kittye, and loved father of Kathleen (Mrs. P. J, Rollason),Dermot, and Russell. ( Herbert would have died whilst with Kath Rollason , his wife followed a couple of years later ).

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/71804363?searchTerm=dermot%20ryan&searchLimits=l-title=13

I would appreciate any further information on Herbert . And maybe somewhere someone has some other photos.

Brothers of Herbert Ryan:

Percy Ryan  : The death of in 1940.

Was a journalist, divorced no children. death of percy ryan 1940

percy ryan 1940

Percy was the secretary of the Maffra Race club, cricket and football clubs. Also a Gippsland rifle champion. Perdy was the foundation secretary of the region’s senior football league in 1901 . Although the football club was started in Sale 1877.

It is noted the brother James Ryan who resided at Maffra.

Harold Ryan  : death in Wellington NZ 1919

death of harold ryan 1919 wellington

harold ryan 1913

 

 

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